Disgruntled Pats players spill the goods

by Vito Puntillo
(Shrewsbury, MA)

SAD

Former Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson said this during an interview with USA TODAY shortly after he retired in 2005.

"Every now and then I'd get a sheet, one hour before the game, with a list of audibles for our opponent," Johnson said in November 2005. "I don't know how, but they just showed up."

My comments - I guess now its easy to see how 38+ year olds that no other teams wanted like Rodney "HGH" Harrison and Junior "can you think of anyone less deserving of a superbowl ring" Seau were able to make plays..............its easy - they knew the offensive plays ahead of time.

How does a mediocre 6th rd pick QB, who barely started in college win 3 Superbowls (Tom Brady) - it's easy - let him know the defenses ahead of time.

Fact- The Pats can only screw so many people before it bites them in the backside (Deion Branch, Ted Johnson, Matt Walsh.....Can Asante Samuel soon follow?).

Make no mistake - people aren't "jealous" of the Pats. Why would anyone be jealous of cheaters?

No - people dislike the Pats because they classless cheaters - period.

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Feb 23, 2008
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NFL better come clean or go by the way of baseball
by: Anonymous

one more reason to leave the TV off on sunday,and Mondy night. My first NFL turn off, The NFL network what a joke! I have been watching football for about 30 years with the same group of friends it seems we all share the same opion of the NFL by mid season less then half of us still watched, by season end only two of us watched. Good news we have re-grouped and are now watching the WWF at least we know it's fixed! They don't try to hide it!

Feb 23, 2008
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Audibles
by: Prof. Bud Light

And how did the Patriots screw Deion Branch? I hear he mades a nice paycheck.

And how have the Patriots screwed Assante Samuel? By making him a top paid CB for his last year. Next year, he will do very well. I wish I could get screwed like that.

So on the point of your post. Defenses don't want a QB's audibles? That's a new one. Please read the following:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Without convening a congressional hearing or hiring an independent counsel to investigate the incident, the NFL has ruled that the Miami Dolphins violated no league rules in the Tapegate affair...

The incident spawned considerable attention on Tuesday after some Dolphins players suggested to the Palm Beach (Fla.) Post that the team "purchased" tapes of the New England offense that provided audio of quarterback Tom Brady making audible and line-blocking calls.

Those players strongly hinted that the tapes were critical in preparing for the game and provided the Dolphins inside information about New England's offensive audible system.

"I've never seen [Brady] so flustered," middle linebacker Zach Thomas said.

The league's response? Pretty much a stifled yawn, since there is no rule prohibiting such film study.

"Reaction around the league office was, 'That's football,' " AFC spokesman Steve Alic said.
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Audibles are called out loud. It's called sound.

But some can't deal with trying to understand QB's calls. Take Joey Porter's opinion of Peyton Mannings complex audibles:

"They don't want to just sit there, line up and play football," Porter explained to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "They want to try to catch you off guard. They don't want to play smash-mouth football, they want to trick you. ... They want to catch you substituting...They don't want to just call a play, get up there and run a play."


Looks like Porter wouldn't want to know any audibles as it might be too hard to process. He is focused on his position and might get more confused...or make a mistake with an audible.

Payton has a group of guys who he can change audibles with probably every week or keep his complex system that they have mastered, but the defense hasn't.

That's called Football.

The NFL behind the scenes is looking at the hidden defensive lineman mic business. Due to Spygate, I guess teams aren't doing things they were doing in 2006. But that begs the question of technology. You can do almost anything with it.

The NFL doesn't want much used the day of the game. You can't even go look at the film you've studied all week. I bet people didn't know that. You can shoot film but not use it during the game. (Belichicks reference to the Constitution and By-laws, not p105 of the Operations Manual. or his verison of in-game use.)

I would not have a Defensive player with a headset like the QB. I would like the QB to have no communication with their coaches.

Feb 28, 2008
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by: Anonymous

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Feb 29, 2008
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Truth Rings
by: Anonymous

Amen!!

Feb 29, 2008
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Love it, Bring the truth to the lens.
by: CTW

Love it, Bring the truth to the lens.

Mar 10, 2008
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I AGREE
by: mel7847

I AGREE

Mar 13, 2008
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Dead Right On
by: Anonymous

Absolutely right, add the billion dollar Kraft media, with grease for every reporter, every referee because they owe him (he negotiated referee contracts)and then add the illegal camera work and you pretty much get what you pay for.....a dirty gutless, cheating coach, egotist owner, sand lot players, including Brady and 3 rings bought and paid for with big fix money, 23 of 26 games won by 3 points or less including 3 bowls....mediocre talent...no big numbers.... Feel good story lines and 7 long years of bull shit spin into a media made dynasty, and a fan base that loves to *** for Kraft while he screws them 7 ways of sunday!

The fans deserve everything they get because they buy the tickets, jackets, hats, T-shirts and bumper stickers.

Mar 25, 2008
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Nothing worse than a lying cheater
by: Anonymous

And it cost three deserving teams Super Bowls - the Rams, the Eagles and the Panthers, all losing by three points, no less. Coincidence?

Mar 30, 2008
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walk through
by: Cyberanfan

Filming the Rams walk through prior to the Super Bowl doesn't guarantee a win, but it does put a couple "more" tools into the toolbox. Tools that you feel you need or you would not risk it. With spygate the NFL is protecting itself and in doing so, Bill Belichick will be protected too. That's unfortunate, he deserves what Pete Rose is getting.

Apr 05, 2008
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JAIL TIME
by: Anonymous

UNLESS YOU PROSECUTE AND PRESENT EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY WITH CONFIRMED EVIDENCE, THEY WALK , THEY WIN AND WILL FIND ANOTHER WAY IF NOT CONTINUE AS A FRANCHISE THAT NOW HAS A FLYING START INTO THE NXT 20 YRS.GOODELL, KRAFT AND BELECHEAT DESERVE JAIL TIME! THEY ARE GUILTY OF FELONY CRIMES, SUBSIDIZED LICENSED STADIUM GAMES THAT WERE RIGGED TO CREATE AN UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD! JUST LIKE THE RIGGED SLOT MACHINE.THE LEVER IN THIS EXAMPLE WAS THE OFFICIATING CREW AND ILLEGAL CAMERA WORK! THE NFL DESERVES NO ANTI TRUST AGREEMENT UNLESS IT IS REVISED.THE 3 RINGS IN QUESTION ARE TAKEN OFF THE TROPHY.NEVER TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED!

Apr 06, 2008
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Who got screwed?
by: Anonymous

How did Asante Samuel get screwed again?

If you don't think teams try to figure out audibles, you are very naive.

Apr 08, 2008
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right on!
by: cb madman

So True.... How can they feel good about the Wins ?

May 14, 2008
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Brady's college career
by: Dan

"How does a mediocre 6th rd pick QB, who barely started in college win 3 Superbowls (Tom Brady) - it's easy - let him know the defenses ahead of time."

You clearly don't know anything about Brady's playing career in college or you would know that he started 25 games for the Wolverines in 1998 and 1999 beating out Drew Henson for the starting job. Brady went on to win 20 of those games and also won 2 Bowl games as well, something a certain QB from Indy couldn't do in college. Brady left Michigan as the schools all-time leader in completions, attempts, and QB percentage.

Don't let the scouting report fool you -- it as well as you are clearly wrong which resulted in him being a 6th round pick.

May 29, 2008
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dan and vito
by: Anonymous

Dan your an idiot and so is Vito. So because Brady was not a first round pick means he has to suck? Are you kidding me? Was Ray bourque From the Bruins a cheater because he was a seventh rounder? Vito get your facts straight before you write them and dont give me the whole "oh I am just a humble football fan looking for truth justice and the american way" crap! idiot

May 29, 2008
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so what about this?
by: Anonymous

Without convening a congressional hearing or hiring an independent counsel to investigate the incident, the NFL has ruled that the Miami Dolphins violated no league rules in the Tapegate affair associated with the team's 21-0 victory over the New England Patriots last Sunday.

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Teams are always trying to steal signs and signals off other teams. That's just football.

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The incident spawned considerable attention on Tuesday after some Dolphins players suggested to the Palm Beach (Fla.) Post that the team "purchased" tapes of the New England offense that provided audio of quarterback Tom Brady making audible and line-blocking calls.

Those players strongly hinted that the tapes were critical in preparing for the game and provided the Dolphins inside information about New England's offensive audible system.

"I've never seen [Brady] so flustered," middle linebacker Zach Thomas said.

The league's response? Pretty much a stifled yawn, since there is no rule prohibiting such film study.

"Reaction around the league office was, 'That's football,' " AFC spokesman Steve Alic said.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick, speaking Wednesday at his news conference, doubted that Miami gained an advantage.

"I stand out on that field every day, as do our defensive players -- who are pretty smart players -- and I don't see it," Belichick said. "If I can't pick it up and our players can't pick it up, with what we know and the opportunity to see and work against each other, I have a hard time thinking somebody else [could]."

Even with the contentions of the Miami defenders, there remains uncertainty over just what measures the Dolphins took in their surveillance of the New England offense. While players said the team "purchased" the tape, coach Nick Saban said his club simply watched TV replays of Brady in an attempt to decipher the calls.

One Miami defender said it is common practice to take a TV tape of a game and enhance the volume to try to hear the quarterback's signals. The so-called "coaching" tapes supplied by the league to teams do not include audio. Television tapes often capture a quarterback's calls at the line of scrimmage because of the parabolic microphones used on the sideline.

Despite the attention garnered by the story, most league observers dismissed the importance of whatever the Dolphins did and chose to attribute the shutout victory to superior execution.

The Dolphins limited the Patriots to 12 first downs and 189 yards and held Brady to 78 passing yards and a passer rating of 55.1 while sacking him four times.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

Jun 03, 2008
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if bill was a black coach, hmmm...
by: Anonymous

I wonder how things would of been percieved? would new england folk been as dismissive of the "facts"? if bill were black, I think he would of been run outta town instead of just having a black eye.

Jun 21, 2008
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moron
by: Anonymous

i understand but junior is nasty and he was only there for two years, come on ****, think about your writings

Aug 06, 2008
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Seriously?
by: Anonymous

Come on...Brady? The guy set the single season TD record under the biggest microscope possible last year. I can get bashing Bellichick....but you're just trolling when you try to say it has anything to do with Brady being great.

As far as Harrison and Seau....uhmm...the team got caught stealing defensive signals....the offense calls their plays in on a headset dumb***.

Jan 06, 2009
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How moronic
by: Anonymous

One lame quote from Ted Johnson. Wow, you guys went all out putting the facts together, huh?

Aug 26, 2011
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Biased
by: Anonymous

This page is so one sided it is quite obvious that whatever is said is what you want to say...not factual...so I will file this page in the circular file I call trash. Also...digruntled..you list one former player and he doesn't sound disgruntled to me..sounds like he's giving his opinion. And you might want to wipe D Branch from your list..he loves the Patriots so much he came back!

Nov 15, 2011
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Cheating to Win
by: jonyguitar

In any sport where a team is caught and official complaints are filed by more than one team on more than one occasion, in stadiums that were presenting these games with Federal subsidized money to build some of them,the rig job becomes a serious issue!
The patriots and their owner and coach should have every ring stripped from the record, and if the Hall sees fit to induct any one , including players from this team, it is mandatory that the exhibit narrates and documents Spy Gate,if there ever is one, so than the fans can know that it really did happen and the case was never officially closed by any one, including the present focus on their owner, who has no business,in the negotiation of referee contracts or union contract relationships with the 30 team league. That is conflict of interest and collusion in any court of law! He knew what his coach was doing,Goodall knew what Kraft was doing and destroyed evidence in a criminal investigation , that was not deemed criminal,as the facts were unfolding! So a slimy attorney like Goodall knew exactly what he was doing!

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