2009 SEC vs Pac-10 Comparison

by Paul Grossinger
(Balt. Md.)

Is SEC or Pac-10 Football the Best This Year?

Personally, I can’t stand rankings that reward depth over true excellence. From my point of view, a wealth of solid mediocrity does not make up for even a patch of greatness. For that reason, even if it were true that Pac 10 made up for the SEC’s top three with greater depth throughout, I would still argue that the SEC is a much better conference. That said, the fact is that the SEC is not just better than the Pac 10 at the top, it is stronger from titlist to doormat.

First, lets look at the top of the totem pole. The top four teams in the SEC are Florida, Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss. The first two of these are currently undefeated and set to face off in a title game that will send one (and perhaps two if Texas chokes) of them to the BCS Championship Game. The third team, LSU, has three losses, which would indicate a precipitous drop in conference strength until one looks at the schedule. Florida, Alabama (away), and Ole Miss (away) accounted for these three loses so LSU actually lost three games to its top three rivals nationally; two of whom are also, non-incidentally, the top two squads in the nation.

As for Ole Miss, it also has three losses, but, again, two of these were on the road and all were to ranked teams. While those with short memories only notice that the Rebels just crawled back into the rankings, the fact is that they were a top-four team earlier this year, boast a win over rival LSU, and have lost only to Alabama (5-0), Auburn (5-2 at the time), and the upset special Gamecocks.

Let's compare that to the top of the Pac 10. Last year, the West Coast case might have been stronger since USC was, according to many (myself included) actually the best team in the nation. However, after jaw dropping losses to Oregon (by 27), perennial conference doormat Stanford (by 34), and current doormat Washington, the Trojans are no-longer the class of their conference and don’t even belong in the same discussion with the SEC top four. While USC may recover next year as QB Matt Barkley matures, they simply are not in that ballpark right now.

Instead, the comparable (so to speak) teams in the Pac 10 are the Oregon Ducks (9-2 with losses to Boise State and Stanford), Oregon State (8-3 with losses to USC, Cincinnati, and un-ranked Arizona) and Cal (8-3). While the top two teams in the SEC are undefeated, the top two in the Pac 10 each have at least two losses (one to an unranked in-conference squad). Case closed on the top-of-the-pole discussion.

How about further on down the line? The Pac 10’s ‘strength’ relative to the SEC supposedly comes from the depth of its mediocrity. However, is it actually deeper than the SEC field? Teams 4-7 in the Pac 10 standings are Stanford (7-4 with two losses to unranked teams), USC (holding on to respectability by name recognition only), unranked Arizona (6-4), and UCLA (6-5). The comparable 4-7 field in the SEC consists of Arkansas (7-4 but 4-0 in non-SEC play), Auburn (7-4, ditto for non-SEC play, and began the season 5-0), Kentucky (7-4), and Tennessee (6-5). Notably, none of these teams (except UT's early season loss to UCLA) suffered a defeat outside the SEC, and none lost to teams that spent the entire season un-ranked. What this suggests is that, through squad 7, the SEC is almost unbeatable outside its own conference because their team losses are all in-conference AND to ranked teams.

Therefore, the conclusion is clear: not only is the SEC much better at the top, its strength extends all the way through seven teams. By comparison, the Pac 10’s top two barely crack the top 10 in the national rankings (whereas Florida and Alabama have traded 1-2 all season), and its middle group has several losses to unranked squads.

The ultimate conclusion: the SEC is exponentially better at the top and is, in fact, stronger seven teams deep as well. Of course, for those who want to judge a conference’s strength by its doormats, Washington does have two upset wins in the Pac 10 while Vanderbilt is still aweful. Some things just don’t change.

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Nov 23, 2009
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well if we tell only half the story then you are right....
by: worthless article

lets see if you have 10 teams vs 12 teams.....it would only make sense that the top 5 teams from the conference with more teams will be better, more teams gives more teams opportunities to be good. Heck with your logic you should just take the best 10 teams from the SEC and leave out the bad ones, it makes you guys look better right?

Do it this way:

Top team in SEC is Florida, they have played on team ranked in the BCS. They have not lost a game, but to say that they have not had nailbiters is just not the case. Oregon has lost two games, but both were to teams that are ranked in the BCS, on top of that they have played four other teams ranked in the BCS, and are still ranked number one in the Pac-10.....hmmm.

Ok, I'll talk about doormats since you failed to go beyond the top 7......see my first point, although it includes math which I know if you went to an SEC school you might have trouble with. The doormat in the pac-10 (WSU) and the doormat in the SEC (Vandy) are even opponents, beyond that you have ASU and Wash from the pac-10...vs a Mississippi St. team that would be a sizable underdog in Vegas to either team on a neutral field.

So if you really want to break down the ENTIRE conference it helps to actually see which ENTIRE conference is better.

Nov 24, 2009
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Play someone!
by: RUKidding?

Your analysis is laughable. The SEC plays the same number of BCS non-conference opponents as does the Pac 10. With 48 non-conference games versus 30 for the Pac 10, shouldn't that be a little higher?

Barring major upsets, the SEC wins against BCS non-conference games will include two winning programs (Va Tech and WV) for a very (very) sub-500 overall record. The same will be true of the Pac 10 BCS non-con wins, but the overall record of those opponents will total two over .500 (given that Tennessee can beat Kentucky).

Now throw out the bottom teams in each conference because they are just bad. I'm not saying Vanderbilt or anyone else in the SEC would schedule someone as tough as SMU for a non-BCS non-conference game, but we'll throw them both out anyway. Well, Miss St. did schedule and lose to Houston, but apart from that, the best non-BCS school scheduled in all of the SEC non-con schedules is Troy. That's right. A team which Bowling Green schedules for an easy W. There's not an SEC team's schedule that's as tough as your average Mountain West schedule, let alone the Pac 10.

To top it off, the SEC only plays 8 conference games. By not playing a ninth game and scheduling powder puff teams instead, the SEC inflates its statistics in a big big way.

I won't argue against their tradition, but try playing a real schedule in the here and now to get my here and now respect.

Nov 25, 2009
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well said, rukidding
by: rocco dantona

the sec has traditionally been a strong conference, but this year, not hardly. the top two teams really don't have formidable offenses (It was Percy guys, you can really tell on Sundays), and neither defense could likely stand the onslaught of a rested stanford or oregon. i say likely because, well, they just haven't seen strong offensive teams all year.

and the case in point as to their inferiority is UCLA v. Tennessee. Your 'TOP' team sure didn't put away a team that was handled by probably the 6th or 7th best Pac 10 team, at home. In fact, the Gators didn't exactly put the Vols away either. Had Kiffin let Crompton throw a bit in the end, they would've been in the same onside kick recovery away from a 3 point deficit as well.

Don't get me wrong, love watching Ingram, and would like to see Jones catch passes from a great quarterback, but that's about it. and Mississippi State gave most of the SEC way too hard time this season - and lost to Houston. GOSH! (Point being, SEC just isn't used to facing offenses lately.)

Nov 26, 2009
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The moron below me
by: Anonymous

Clearly anyone who says the pac 10 is better because it has more teams and washington has an upset win is a complete moron....conferences should be judged by how good their best teams are and the SEC has two undefeated teams and four more that are undefeated outside conference play. case closed and grow a brain...u are just one more cali brain fart

Nov 27, 2009
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SEC defenses couldn't stop Offenses like Oregon?
by: URG8RBAIT

How can you take yourself seriously as a college football fan and say that Florida's team last year was Percy's and this year's team has no offense and UF could not stop Oregon? Last year's team faced the most prolific offense in all of college football in Oklahoma. I don't remember seeing Percy on defense. That's right defense, you moron! That is what shut down Oklahoma, not Percy. In fact, Tebow's drive late in the game proved to be the backbreaker (Nelson jump pass??). Guess what you idiot? Everyone all that top ranked defensive unit came back this year. That is why UF is where their at. So the likes of Oregon is not difficult to defend when you have speed, ie. OSU vs UF or LSU. SEC speed is the difference maker against other conferences. This is especially true for the top teams. Quit hating and start respecting.

Nov 27, 2009
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SEC non-conference schedule
by: Anonymous

The mediocre SEC teams may have an excellent nonconference schedule, but they also haven't PLAYED anyone of any importance out of schedule.

Except for Tennessee, who decided to take on the "powerhouse" UCLA (2nd to last in the PAc-10), and lost.

Nov 28, 2009
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Sec Doesnt Lose Non-Conf. Games?????
by: Anonymous

Of course they dont because they play cupcakes. Fla's non conf schedule included BCS POWERHOUSES like Charleston Southern, Troy and Fla International while the other undefeated team Ala fought its way thru an exceptionally strong non-conf schedule that included POWERS Fla Int, N.Texas, Tenn Chatt and Va Tech. Lets just take S. cal who played Notre Dame and Ohio St> That makes USC's non conf schedule tougher than ala and fla combined. Playing cupcakes should not be rewarded which is why we need a playoff system but of course the sec is against a playoff because then the sec might have to actually play tough non conf games and win them

Nov 29, 2009
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Teams Themselves
by: Anonymous

the non-conference cupcakes argument only works until you see that the pac 10 teams all had SAD losses to out of conference mediocrity and/or main rivals while Florida and Alabama are undefeated.

the article should have broken the actual teams down a bit more though-except I'm sure there was a lack of space. but really bama is sound on both sides of the ball with Ingram creating an amazing run game, florida is also solid and has a fantastic D-the Pac 10 just doesn't feature COMPLETE football teams like that

Nov 29, 2009
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Too much sun for the PA(theti)C-10 supporters
by: Habbit

To the comment two guys above, Troy is the number one team in their conference, you retard. The SEC is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. Hypocritical fucks like you complain that we don't give the little guy a chance to upset us, but then you mock us when we do. Kill yourself you idiot.

Notre Dame is about to fire their head coach, and you know you're reaching when you claim any team from the Little Televen is a respectable opponent. The SEC has been there, done that with Ohio State, by the way, dumbass.

Nov 30, 2009
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I
by: Anonymous

Like the reference to washington and stanford as being doormats if they are or where doormats at the beggining of this season SEC has 10 doormats in their conference

Nov 30, 2009
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Pac 10 far better than SEC this year...
by: Anonymous

Here's the easy comparisons head to head:
1. UCLA (8th place team this year in Pac 10) beat Tennessee (tied for 4th) at Tenn.
2. Georgia (tied for 4th) needed a field goal on last play of game to beat Arz. State (9th place team) at Georgia (after blocking Arz field goal for win).
3. LSU (3rd place team) beat Washington (7th place) on road by ten despite getting outgained by 160 yards (wash had 480) and first downs 25:17

Plus, SEC teams play a cupcake non-league schedule outside of these games.

Most objective observers - that's the media and football experts - agree Pac 10 this year is the better conference. Proof is above and in non-league wins. Not necessarily true in past.

Dec 01, 2009
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Be real
by: Anonymous

I'm pretty sure that Florida and Alabama would not be undefeated if they played in the PAC-10 "this year". Football teams usually get better as the season goes along. SEC teams schedule weak non-conference games at the start and usually another along the way. That's smart. But, we do see the 3-4 wins per year are patsies. PAC-10 teams don't have such patsies because they must play a conference round robin schedule and a "tougher" national schedule in-order to make up for time zone differences in the media. The consequences are SEC team win-loss and team stats are overrated. Look the SEC is really good, but not recognizing the B.S. scheduling that results in padded win-loss records and team stats is just being provincial. Just ask Utah!

Florida and Alabama may be elite teams but this year the PAC 10 is the better conference.

Dec 06, 2009
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Sec best league this year? Please
by: Anonymous

If your analysis is correct, then let us look at some FACTS about this year. What would happen if the bottom of the barrel PAC-10's played the Upper tier SEC. Hmmm.

#8 PAC-10 plays AT #4 SEC Outcome? PAC#8 WINS by 4
(See Tennesee vs UCLA 2009

#9 PAC-10 plays AT #5 SEC Outcome? #5 SEC WINS by 3
(See Georgia vs Arizona State 2009

#7 Pac-10 Plays #3 SEC Outcome? #3 SEC WINS by 8
(See Washington Vs LSU 2009)

So clearly the bottom of the Pac-10 is the same or slightly better than the middle of the SEC, and the Middle of the SEC is very close to the Top of the SEC. (See Tennessee vs Alabama 2009)

The top of the Pac-10 is Not close to the bottom of the Pac-10. See (Oregon Vs USC,ASU,WSU)

So what would happen if #1 Pac-10 plays #1 SEC?
#1 PAC 10 wins by 21 minimum

Dec 06, 2009
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Bama
by: Anonymous

Does anyone seriously believe, after watching the title game, that Oregon, which lost to Boise State, could seriously challenge the Tide? Come on.

Dec 06, 2009
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Who has Florida played?
by: Anonymous

Alabama beating Florida means only that Florida was way over rated. Lsu is ranked in the top 25 only because it played Alabama and Florida. They struggled against Washington.

Oregon's loss to Boise, go look at the stats of the game. How many carries did James have? Yes James the number 5 leading rusher in all of BCS, who is almost 2 1/2 games behind all other rushers. Yeah he averaged 11 yards a carry vs Boise and was Only allowed to carry the ball twice. Throw in a deep blue field that has the nations longest home field advantage and coming away down 11 is not that bad for your opener.

Oregon has played 7 of the top 25 teams this year and has its 2 loses while playing AT their home fields. So 5 wins VS top 25 Teams. Not BS top 25 but end of season top 25.

Dec 08, 2009
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Tired
by: Loadchris

Ok lets see....lsu travels 2300mi to play a decent wash team and still wins but still gets bagged on for barely winning. We are talking about the same team who beat the mighty Trojans.

Let's put the pac10 #1 Oregon vs sec #1 bama....bama wins....

pac10#2 Arizona vs sec#2 Florida..FL wins......

pac10 #3 Oregon st vs sec#3 LSU...LSU wins...

nuf said. Need I say more....pac10 offenses are not used to the fast fast sec secondary period....not gonna happen. Later!!!

Dec 13, 2009
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Get Real
by: Anonymous

In the entire 2009 season what team put up the most first downs, most total yards, and most passing yards vs LSU? Was it the mighty Gators? No. Was it the Mighty Tide? No. Was it any SEC opponent? NO.

It was the bottom of the barrel, Pac-10 Washington Huskies. My goodness what a mighty defensive league.

Jan 06, 2010
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The SEC plays cupcake out of conference???
by: LSUGUY

You see this is what i am talking about from you7 idiots from the pac 10. clearly you just state what you think is going on and not what actually happened. the SEC this year was masterful out of conference this year.......
Georgia over Ga tech- who was acc champ
Alabama over Va tech-
LSU over Washington
Georgia over Arizona State- the last three years actually
South Carolina over Clemson
Florida over florida state
Auburn over west virginia
Arkansas over Texas A@m

So please the next time you people start talking out of your a** about things that can be proven wrong. why not just go and do a little research.

Jan 10, 2010
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SEC Fat on Cupcakes
by: ManOfTroy

"So please the next time you people start talking out of your a** about things that can be proven wrong. why not just go and do a little research." -- LSUGUY, referring to Pac 10 fans

Since 2002, 47.8% of the SEC's out of conference games were against teams from outside the BCS (this includes Notre Dame), MWC, WAC. (The notion that the Univ. of Troy is a quality opponent because it won in a conference that lost a combined 59% of its games in 2009 is laughable.) In contrast, the Pac 10 played only 14% of its games against such teams. The Pac 10 also features 3 (of the 4) teams that have never played an FCS school in football.

As for the "masterful" wins against "quality" opponents, Texas A&M, Arizona State, and Washington ended the season with losing records, South Carolina beat Clemson and Clemson beat Kentucky (in other words, the SEC broke even, here), and Florida St. had only 7 wins in Bowden's last season. This shrinks the list of impressive regular season wins dramatically. Of course, UCLA (a so-so team from the Pac 10) visited Tennessee and won --- and before you throw the Vols under the bus, UT did go on to nearly beat 'Bama!

Certainly the SEC has a wealth of talented teams that can matchup well with teams from other conferences. It's a very good conference. However, a little bit of research shows that the SEC needs to take on some tougher challenges during the regular season to prove its dominance.

Why not go play Boise St. on the blue turf? (SEC fans keep knocking Oregon for losing to the Broncos in their season opener, but at least Oregon played the Broncos at all. The SEC has played Boise St. only 3 times since 2002! If you think Boise St. can't play, go prove it on the field!) Or setup a re-match with Utah? (The SEC has a losing record to the MWC since 2002, after all.) Or more frequently play the likes of Oregon, Notre Dame, or Ohio State during the regular season? Or send Florida to play a team outside of Florida (the Gators haven't played a non-conference regular season game outside of the state since, uh, 1991 when they lost to Syracuse.)

When the SEC shows it can beat anyone, any time, anywhere, I will relent and declare them the dominant conference. Until then, the SEC is impressive and deserves respect, but is often overrated and deserves to be shuffled around with the Pac 10, Big 10, and Big XII as the "best conference in football."

Jan 13, 2010
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The South is RISEN
by: Chief

UGH!!
Past Four NCAA Div 1 champs. SEC,SEC,SEC,SEC. We didn't invent football, but for sure perfected it before it was exported west.

Apr 17, 2010
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SEC Plays Toughest Out of Conference (OOC) Games
by: Hyacenth House

The only thing you ever hear from a Pac 10 fans is that the SEC plays easy OOC games. They never list the FACTS, so here they are:

According to the BCS SOS the SEC plays a MUCH harder schedule:

http://bcscentral.info/sos.html

Notice that AL had the #4 (hardest), LSU #5, AR #7 & FL #9

The SEC also schedules more, plays more BCS OOC games, plays Higher ranked teams and beats more of these teams. Notice, Pac 10 fans Never back up their claims! For 2009:

SEC:
Wins: #2 TX, #9 Cincinnati, #10 V. Tech., #22 West Virginia, #13 GA Tech & #25 OK St. 
Unranked Wins: North Carolina St., Washington, Louisville, AZ St., TX A&M, Clemson, FL St, TX A&M & Northwestern.  
Losses: #8 P. St., #25 OK St., #13 GA Tech, #13 GA Tech, #10 V. Tech, Clemson, UCLA & UConn.

Totals: Played - 23. Wins - 15 (65%). Losses - 8 (35%). Number of Ranked Teams played: 11 (48%) 
Ranked Teams Beaten: 6

Pac 10:
Wins: #5 Ohio St. 
Unranked Wins: Maryland, Tenn., Purdue, Minnesota, Kansas St, Notre Dame, and Notre Dame & Boston College.  
Losses: #5 Ohio St, #17 LSU, #7 Iowa, #9 Cincinnati, #14 Nebraska Wake Forest, Georgia, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, & Oklahoma.

Totals: Played - 19. Wins - 9 (47%). Losses - 10 (53%). Number of Ranked Teams played: 6 (32%) 
Ranked Teams Beaten: 1

Ditto for 2008, 2007 and on & on. Hope this puts an end to this fallacy... once and for all!

Jul 14, 2010
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are you hi??
by: Anonymous

Dude, these results would not be as good if you had lost 1-2 of those games if you play better teams. When you have a 11-0 record and 5 of those games where against teams that have no business even playing against you it only make your record better than it really is. In other words, if I beat up my sister every time I fight I am going to win every time (1-AA Teams)Your 2010 schedule is loaded with them. But if the SEC would play teams they know they could and would lose to the results of your records would be different. I will not respect the results of most of the SEC teams until they play outside of their safety zone and play other teams that could and would beat them. And the fact that most of your teams will NOT travel makes your results less impressive.

Sep 14, 2010
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There's more to a conference than football
by: Golden Bear fan

Although I'm a life-long Cal fan who has followed Pacific coast football since before most of you were born, I'm quite willing to concede that the teams in the SEC have generally been superior to those in the Pac-10. However, I think the Pac-10 teams have often been very good, and that's been enough to satisfy me. SEC teams may be better, but our teams generally play more exciting football. I'd like to see our teams win more national recognition, but I'll take a steady diet of exciting games over national titles, if I must make a choice. Oh, one other thing: universities are exist to educate. For academic excellence, I'll take Pac-10 schools over those of any other BCS conference. Next on the list are the schools of the Big Ten. After that, there's a big drop-off. The SEC has a few excellent schools, but on the whole, the conference isn't in the same league with the Pac-10 and Big Ten academically. Not even close.

Sep 17, 2010
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Secluded Eastern Conference
by: Correct Perception

I admit that the SEC has, (for the past 8 years), 4 to 5 teams worthy of national recognition while the other conference there are usuall 2 to 3, worthy opponents. Nontheless, if the SEC played all their games in either, the BIG 10, BIG 12 and or PAC 10, going undefeated as Alabama did last years would be in my opinion an impossibility. To my point. Tennessee, whom lost to UCLA ranked 8th in the PAC 10 last year, should of had the upset against Alabama. 3 kicks could not do it. Why is this significant. SEC is synonymous to defense and just like every team has a bad game during the year. SEC teams have their bad day with a... get this.....NON PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE CONFERENCE.... UCLA, could have beaten Alabam on that day, fortunatly for Alabama is plays in the SEC...(Secluded Eastarn Conference) and they stay in the conference and literally.. play no significant Offensive power during the year. If they did.... they would lose and whalla their goes your Number 1 rating. One more thing. It seem the statistics you like to you are chosen for it's recent success....Buddy... PAC 10 has more championships in it's little finger than the SEC. As for football. 30 days in waithing to get your defensive men ready for the BCS, "Bull Crap Shampionship" gives them the advantage to rest their defensive men. Nontheless, going on a streak does not make you the best. The New England Patriots have been on a streak... Would you call them the best Football team ever... Man be honest with yourself. The SEC has had a great 8 years, this year I do believe it will end.... nontheless... THERE IS NO NATIONAL CHAMPION WITHOUT A PLAYOFF., NO PLAYOFF, NO NATIONAL CHAMPION. If you actually loved football the right way.... you would have mentioned this... but no you like SEC football. When you love COLLEGE FOOTBALL, you will see it correctly. P.S. Ohio St. would have beaten Alabama, last year, but no playoff so we will never know. Only one thing is known. NO PLAYOFF, NO NATIONAL CHAMPION.

Nov 30, 2010
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SEC, walmart of the NFL
by: NFL stunna

Somebody in this chat room predicted a 21 point victory of #1 pac 10 team vs. #1 SEC team. Looks like we might get to see it this year. ---Auburn by 14.The biggest over-looked comparison is pass defense. Fuck all those teams that just air it out for a blown coverage TD shoot out style game. SEC defense shuts that shit down. Kinda like how Hawaii got their fudge packed by Georgia '08. PAC-10 kinda sucks too though. If you want to talk about cup-cake schedule then check out Oregon.

Dec 09, 2010
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I no rite (SEC spelling)
by: Pac 10 Jac

I know didn't you see Oregon's weak non-conference cross country road game at Tennessee. I mean UCLA has swept Tenn the 2 previous years. (Even though Tenn has taken LSU & Alabama to the wire) They should have stayed home & played some sweet sunbelt teams like a "real" football program. Or maybe Idaho St like Alabama. But don't play any 1AA teams like Ole Miss found out. I guess its not that hard to come into the south and win a game just ask Utah.

Jan 11, 2011
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Oh i'm sorry
by: Anonymous

Did Oregon lose to Auburn? Did its high-powered offense get shutdown by a weaker SEC Defense? Is that five straight national championships by four different SEC teams? I'm pretty sure that statistic goes a long way in making the case that almost any SEC team, in any given year, can rise up and take the national championship.

2010/11 Power rankings via teamrankings.com (not including the title game)

PAC-10: 4 teams in the top 25, with Stanford being the highest at number 2.
SEC: 6 teams in the top 25, with Auburn ranking the highest at number 1

PAC-10: has 2 in the top ten
SEC: has 4 in the top ten.

2010/11 NON-LEAGUE-PLAY Power rankings (Not including the title game)

SEC: #1
PAC-10: #2
ACC: #3

2010/11 STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE power rankings(Not including the title game)

PAC-10:#1
SEC:#2
ACC:#3

If you let the statistics speak for themselves, instead making stupid claims about who is better,
It seems that they are both pretty evenly matched in schedule and non-league play. However, the SEC consistently has more top-teir teams than the PAC-10.

This also marks the 5th national title for the SEC in the past 5 years, which no other conference has EVER done, and 6 in the past 8 years; AND the SEC leads all conferences in national titles.

Jan 11, 2011
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Also to Golden Bear Idiot
by: Anonymous

How could you even try to make the argument that the PAC-10, as a conference, ranks over the BIG TEN in education?

The BIG TEN is the ONLY conference where every institution is a member of the AAU. Done.

Jan 12, 2011
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SEC.... PLAY OUTSIDE YOUR CONFERENCE
by: Correct Perception

First of all, as ai told my frieds concerning the BCS match between, Oregon and Auburn if the game would have been played, 1 week after there last game....it would have been an easy win for Oregon... Why all the fat guys at Auburn... "Farley" would have been to tired to play like he did after the 30 day layoff. This is why USC loses in the Pac-10 because they have bigger defenses that...CONSISTENTLY HAVE TO PLAY FASTER HIGHSCORING OFEENSES....i.e. NOT LIKE THE SEC. Prime example, If Alabama would have played in any TEAM in the other 3 conferences, meaning PAC-10, Big 10 or Big 12... on the day they played with Tennessee... because the big fat guys were tired... with a lowely offense, like TN's should of beaten mighty (FAT) Alabama.... GUESS WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE LOST... This system that allows 30 days... benefits the SEC becuase all there teams recurit big guys for defense. These guys are not looked as well in the other 3 top conferences.. because throughou the year... they get tired... because they are big and these teams lose... but of course when you play in the SEC... WERE THERE IS NO REAL OFFENSE WITHOUT THE DEFENSE AFTER A 30 DAY LAYOFF... Places the team close to the goal line to be able to score.. Simple put... Auburn, Alabam, LSU, Georgia, or TN... which consistently loses to the PAC-10.. which Dooley now has canceled (Following the advice from Urban the Chicken Gator and Nick the stay away Tide).. they would lose... So, yep I predicted Auburn to win... the defense.. rested... one night full of emotion... yet again... if they played in any of the other 3 conferences... Two loses minimum... If playoff started next year... The big fat guys... would have to play several weeks and yep just like the NFL.. Slims theirs players down below 300lbs for the grueling playoffs, The SEC would quickly do the same because they would have to actually play 3 to 4 offensive teams to win a National Champsionship ... the mighty SEC... Would find themselves wanting. Simple put.. if you are the top DoG GO PLAY ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME... The last team Auburn played in the P-10 I believe it was USC in 2003 who won.. USC 23-0), Arkansas agains USC 2004 55-19, USC stopped playing after the second quarter... The SEC FULLY UNDERSTANDS the Conseqences of playing top Offensive teams in the 3 others conferences... It
s called LOSEING, SO THE SEC WILL NOT PLAY TOP TEAMS IN THE 3 OTHER CONFERENCES, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIR BIG FAT GUYS HAVE A 30 WINDOW OF REST AND THE STUPIDITY OF THE EAST TO VOTE THEM IN THE BCS... Funny isn't it.. if they play outside there SEC BIG FAT GUY CONFERENCE SEC TOP TEAMS WIN, they go outside... they lose... before Oregon... HISTORY PROVES THIS.... SEC won tive in a row... for one day... durng the season doubtful.

Feb 13, 2011
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Ah Heck...
by: An Oregon Duck

I have read through all the comments about which conf is better... who plays a tougher non conf schedule... More importantly, who plays a tougher in conf schedule. I will say that this year... the SEC wins... Auburn did win by 3 pts. So with out a play off system... the SEC wins (#1 Pac 10 verses #1 SEC). SEC wins!

What I have a problem with is perception in the pre season. That is where all this crap begins. The media and other voters in all the polls will give the SEC a higher ranking which gives them a better shot at staying ranked higher as the regular season goes. Last season was slightly different as neither Oregon, nor Auburn were ranked that high but usually that is the case. You get put in the top 5 or 10 in the preseason... all you have to do is win and you remain in a position to play for a title. But for the mid to lower tier SEC teams, some will stay in the top 25... thus giving the SEC more top 25 opponents. Sure, we see lower tier teams in the Pac 10 beat SEC teams on the road but not always. My opinion is that the two confs are actually more evenely matched than what most people think.

Oregon received its share of good national media with support from all the voters so don't get me wrong but the bias does exist out there. We are seeing the Pac 10 (12) travel to SEC country more and more and as the teams play... I think we all will conclude that all of us have doormats, soft non conf games, and yes... now that the Pac 10 has become a Pac 12... an easy conf schedule now and again. My goodness what will we all argue about when that happens!

The Oregon-Auburn game I saw on TV evidently wasn't what ESPN, Coaches Meyer and Savin saw. Us in Oregon had to sit around after the game listening to them all talk about how Oregon was dominated by this huge-fast SEC Team. Sure, even I could figure out how to stop James if you give me 37 days to prepare but its sorta funny how nobody said anything about thier little media darling Cam. Oregon may be smaller but which QB needed to find an xray machine after the game? Not Oregon's. Domination? In the Pac 10... 3 points in the last 7 seconds is NOT a domination. Media bias??? Yes Sir! But thats OK... we'll be back someday and we'll keep sending teams to your stadiums for non conf play... we are not going away!

Dec 21, 2011
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Really??
by: SC fan

To accurately rate the teams in the SEC you should only include conference games. Most SEC schools play 3-4 games a year against perrenial losers or DII schools. The USC Trojans have never played a school from the second tier of college football. Also PAC10 schools schedule non-conference games outside of their state. It makes it easy to win at least 4 games a year when you play Southern Alabama Tech at home each year.

Let's see what happens when USC meets a school from your conference (because it's basically automatic-stupid BCS) in the championship next year.

Dec 22, 2011
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Give me a Break "Alabama"
by: Correct Perception

It seems again the eastern voters whom consistently lose to the SEC voted again to place an SEC which is not worthy of playing for the National Championship. ALABAMA, I believe the comments are, "Alabama didn't lose to Iowa", well OkSt didn't play, Georgia Southern, Kent St. and I forget the other DII school. Playing those three games are a bigger lose than OKST losing to Iowa. Playoffs please come save us from the Idiot voters from the ACC and BIG East that consistently help the SEC whom lives in the middle of the USA avoids the west and beats up on the East to win Championships. Fortunately, Urban Meyer now in Ohio St. will not be able to avoid playing the PAC12, and will again lose to yep, you know it's coming USC. PS guess who wins next years after this laughable BCS "BULL Crap Shampionship" Game that is going to be played. USC WILL DO IT. P.S. If given the opportunity USC in any of those years Florida Gators, ALABAMA and LSU Won, they would of lost to USC. YEP EVEN WHEN THEY LOST TO STANFORD....Can't wait for the response.

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