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2009 SEC vs Pac-10 Comparison

by Paul Grossinger
(Balt. Md.)

Is SEC or Pac-10 Football the Best This Year?

Personally, I can’t stand rankings that reward depth over true excellence. From my point of view, a wealth of solid mediocrity does not make up for even a patch of greatness. For that reason, even if it were true that Pac 10 made up for the SEC’s top three with greater depth throughout, I would still argue that the SEC is a much better conference. That said, the fact is that the SEC is not just better than the Pac 10 at the top, it is stronger from titlist to doormat.






First, lets look at the top of the totem pole. The top four teams in the SEC are Florida, Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss. The first two of these are currently undefeated and set to face off in a title game that will send one (and perhaps two if Texas chokes) of them to the BCS Championship Game. The third team, LSU, has three losses, which would indicate a precipitous drop in conference strength until one looks at the schedule. Florida, Alabama (away), and Ole Miss (away) accounted for these three loses so LSU actually lost three games to its top three rivals nationally; two of whom are also, non-incidentally, the top two squads in the nation.

As for Ole Miss, it also has three losses, but, again, two of these were on the road and all were to ranked teams. While those with short memories only notice that the Rebels just crawled back into the rankings, the fact is that they were a top-four team earlier this year, boast a win over rival LSU, and have lost only to Alabama (5-0), Auburn (5-2 at the time), and the upset special Gamecocks.

Let's compare that to the top of the Pac 10. Last year, the West Coast case might have been stronger since USC was, according to many (myself included) actually the best team in the nation. However, after jaw dropping losses to Oregon (by 27), perennial conference doormat Stanford (by 34), and current doormat Washington, the Trojans are no-longer the class of their conference and don’t even belong in the same discussion with the SEC top four. While USC may recover next year as QB Matt Barkley matures, they simply are not in that ballpark right now.

Instead, the comparable (so to speak) teams in the Pac 10 are the Oregon Ducks (9-2 with losses to Boise State and Stanford), Oregon State (8-3 with losses to USC, Cincinnati, and un-ranked Arizona) and Cal (8-3). While the top two teams in the SEC are undefeated, the top two in the Pac 10 each have at least two losses (one to an unranked in-conference squad). Case closed on the top-of-the-pole discussion.

How about further on down the line? The Pac 10’s ‘strength’ relative to the SEC supposedly comes from the depth of its mediocrity. However, is it actually deeper than the SEC field? Teams 4-7 in the Pac 10 standings are Stanford (7-4 with two losses to unranked teams), USC (holding on to respectability by name recognition only), unranked Arizona (6-4), and UCLA (6-5). The comparable 4-7 field in the SEC consists of Arkansas (7-4 but 4-0 in non-SEC play), Auburn (7-4, ditto for non-SEC play, and began the season 5-0), Kentucky (7-4), and Tennessee (6-5). Notably, none of these teams (except UT's early season loss to UCLA) suffered a defeat outside the SEC, and none lost to teams that spent the entire season un-ranked. What this suggests is that, through squad 7, the SEC is almost unbeatable outside its own conference because their team losses are all in-conference AND to ranked teams.

Therefore, the conclusion is clear: not only is the SEC much better at the top, its strength extends all the way through seven teams. By comparison, the Pac 10’s top two barely crack the top 10 in the national rankings (whereas Florida and Alabama have traded 1-2 all season), and its middle group has several losses to unranked squads.

The ultimate conclusion: the SEC is exponentially better at the top and is, in fact, stronger seven teams deep as well. Of course, for those who want to judge a conference’s strength by its doormats, Washington does have two upset wins in the Pac 10 while Vanderbilt is still aweful. Some things just don’t change.

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Nov 23, 2009
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well if we tell only half the story then you are right....
by: worthless article

lets see if you have 10 teams vs 12 teams.....it would only make sense that the top 5 teams from the conference with more teams will be better, more teams gives more teams opportunities to be good. Heck with your logic you should just take the best 10 teams from the SEC and leave out the bad ones, it makes you guys look better right?

Do it this way:

Top team in SEC is Florida, they have played on team ranked in the BCS. They have not lost a game, but to say that they have not had nailbiters is just not the case. Oregon has lost two games, but both were to teams that are ranked in the BCS, on top of that they have played four other teams ranked in the BCS, and are still ranked number one in the Pac-10.....hmmm.

Ok, I'll talk about doormats since you failed to go beyond the top 7......see my first point, although it includes math which I know if you went to an SEC school you might have trouble with. The doormat in the pac-10 (WSU) and the doormat in the SEC (Vandy) are even opponents, beyond that you have ASU and Wash from the pac-10...vs a Mississippi St. team that would be a sizable underdog in Vegas to either team on a neutral field.

So if you really want to break down the ENTIRE conference it helps to actually see which ENTIRE conference is better.

Nov 24, 2009
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Play someone!
by: RUKidding?

Your analysis is laughable. The SEC plays the same number of BCS non-conference opponents as does the Pac 10. With 48 non-conference games versus 30 for the Pac 10, shouldn't that be a little higher?

Barring major upsets, the SEC wins against BCS non-conference games will include two winning programs (Va Tech and WV) for a very (very) sub-500 overall record. The same will be true of the Pac 10 BCS non-con wins, but the overall record of those opponents will total two over .500 (given that Tennessee can beat Kentucky).

Now throw out the bottom teams in each conference because they are just bad. I'm not saying Vanderbilt or anyone else in the SEC would schedule someone as tough as SMU for a non-BCS non-conference game, but we'll throw them both out anyway. Well, Miss St. did schedule and lose to Houston, but apart from that, the best non-BCS school scheduled in all of the SEC non-con schedules is Troy. That's right. A team which Bowling Green schedules for an easy W. There's not an SEC team's schedule that's as tough as your average Mountain West schedule, let alone the Pac 10.

To top it off, the SEC only plays 8 conference games. By not playing a ninth game and scheduling powder puff teams instead, the SEC inflates its statistics in a big big way.

I won't argue against their tradition, but try playing a real schedule in the here and now to get my here and now respect.

Nov 25, 2009
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well said, rukidding
by: rocco dantona

the sec has traditionally been a strong conference, but this year, not hardly. the top two teams really don't have formidable offenses (It was Percy guys, you can really tell on Sundays), and neither defense could likely stand the onslaught of a rested stanford or oregon. i say likely because, well, they just haven't seen strong offensive teams all year.

and the case in point as to their inferiority is UCLA v. Tennessee. Your 'TOP' team sure didn't put away a team that was handled by probably the 6th or 7th best Pac 10 team, at home. In fact, the Gators didn't exactly put the Vols away either. Had Kiffin let Crompton throw a bit in the end, they would've been in the same onside kick recovery away from a 3 point deficit as well.

Don't get me wrong, love watching Ingram, and would like to see Jones catch passes from a great quarterback, but that's about it. and Mississippi State gave most of the SEC way too hard time this season - and lost to Houston. GOSH! (Point being, SEC just isn't used to facing offenses lately.)

Nov 26, 2009
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The moron below me
by: Anonymous

Clearly anyone who says the pac 10 is better because it has more teams and washington has an upset win is a complete moron....conferences should be judged by how good their best teams are and the SEC has two undefeated teams and four more that are undefeated outside conference play. case closed and grow a brain...u are just one more cali brain fart

Nov 27, 2009
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SEC defenses couldn't stop Offenses like Oregon?
by: URG8RBAIT

How can you take yourself seriously as a college football fan and say that Florida's team last year was Percy's and this year's team has no offense and UF could not stop Oregon? Last year's team faced the most prolific offense in all of college football in Oklahoma. I don't remember seeing Percy on defense. That's right defense, you moron! That is what shut down Oklahoma, not Percy. In fact, Tebow's drive late in the game proved to be the backbreaker (Nelson jump pass??). Guess what you idiot? Everyone all that top ranked defensive unit came back this year. That is why UF is where their at. So the likes of Oregon is not difficult to defend when you have speed, ie. OSU vs UF or LSU. SEC speed is the difference maker against other conferences. This is especially true for the top teams. Quit hating and start respecting.

Nov 27, 2009
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SEC non-conference schedule
by: Anonymous

The mediocre SEC teams may have an excellent nonconference schedule, but they also haven't PLAYED anyone of any importance out of schedule.


Except for Tennessee, who decided to take on the "powerhouse" UCLA (2nd to last in the PAc-10), and lost.

Nov 28, 2009
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Sec Doesnt Lose Non-Conf. Games?????
by: Anonymous

Of course they dont because they play cupcakes. Fla's non conf schedule included BCS POWERHOUSES like Charleston Southern, Troy and Fla International while the other undefeated team Ala fought its way thru an exceptionally strong non-conf schedule that included POWERS Fla Int, N.Texas, Tenn Chatt and Va Tech. Lets just take S. cal who played Notre Dame and Ohio St> That makes USC's non conf schedule tougher than ala and fla combined. Playing cupcakes should not be rewarded which is why we need a playoff system but of course the sec is against a playoff because then the sec might have to actually play tough non conf games and win them

Nov 29, 2009
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Teams Themselves
by: Anonymous

the non-conference cupcakes argument only works until you see that the pac 10 teams all had SAD losses to out of conference mediocrity and/or main rivals while Florida and Alabama are undefeated.

the article should have broken the actual teams down a bit more though-except I'm sure there was a lack of space. but really bama is sound on both sides of the ball with Ingram creating an amazing run game, florida is also solid and has a fantastic D-the Pac 10 just doesn't feature COMPLETE football teams like that

Nov 29, 2009
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Too much sun for the PA(theti)C-10 supporters
by: Habbit

To the comment two guys above, Troy is the number one team in their conference, you retard. The SEC is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. Hypocritical fucks like you complain that we don't give the little guy a chance to upset us, but then you mock us when we do. Kill yourself you idiot.

Notre Dame is about to fire their head coach, and you know you're reaching when you claim any team from the Little Televen is a respectable opponent. The SEC has been there, done that with Ohio State, by the way, dumbass.

Nov 30, 2009
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by: Anonymous

Like the reference to washington and stanford as being doormats if they are or where doormats at the beggining of this season SEC has 10 doormats in their conference

Nov 30, 2009
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Pac 10 far better than SEC this year...
by: Anonymous

Here's the easy comparisons head to head:
1. UCLA (8th place team this year in Pac 10) beat Tennessee (tied for 4th) at Tenn.
2. Georgia (tied for 4th) needed a field goal on last play of game to beat Arz. State (9th place team) at Georgia (after blocking Arz field goal for win).
3. LSU (3rd place team) beat Washington (7th place) on road by ten despite getting outgained by 160 yards (wash had 480) and first downs 25:17

Plus, SEC teams play a cupcake non-league schedule outside of these games.

Most objective observers - that's the media and football experts - agree Pac 10 this year is the better conference. Proof is above and in non-league wins. Not necessarily true in past.


Dec 01, 2009
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Be real
by: Anonymous

I'm pretty sure that Florida and Alabama would not be undefeated if they played in the PAC-10 "this year". Football teams usually get better as the season goes along. SEC teams schedule weak non-conference games at the start and usually another along the way. That's smart. But, we do see the 3-4 wins per year are patsies. PAC-10 teams don't have such patsies because they must play a conference round robin schedule and a "tougher" national schedule in-order to make up for time zone differences in the media. The consequences are SEC team win-loss and team stats are overrated. Look the SEC is really good, but not recognizing the B.S. scheduling that results in padded win-loss records and team stats is just being provincial. Just ask Utah!

Florida and Alabama may be elite teams but this year the PAC 10 is the better conference.

Dec 06, 2009
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Sec best league this year? Please
by: Anonymous

If your analysis is correct, then let us look at some FACTS about this year. What would happen if the bottom of the barrel PAC-10's played the Upper tier SEC. Hmmm.

#8 PAC-10 plays AT #4 SEC Outcome? PAC#8 WINS by 4
(See Tennesee vs UCLA 2009

#9 PAC-10 plays AT #5 SEC Outcome? #5 SEC WINS by 3
(See Georgia vs Arizona State 2009

#7 Pac-10 Plays #3 SEC Outcome? #3 SEC WINS by 8
(See Washington Vs LSU 2009)

So clearly the bottom of the Pac-10 is the same or slightly better than the middle of the SEC, and the Middle of the SEC is very close to the Top of the SEC. (See Tennessee vs Alabama 2009)

The top of the Pac-10 is Not close to the bottom of the Pac-10. See (Oregon Vs USC,ASU,WSU)

So what would happen if #1 Pac-10 plays #1 SEC?
#1 PAC 10 wins by 21 minimum



Dec 06, 2009
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Bama
by: Anonymous

Does anyone seriously believe, after watching the title game, that Oregon, which lost to Boise State, could seriously challenge the Tide? Come on.

Dec 06, 2009
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Who has Florida played?
by: Anonymous

Alabama beating Florida means only that Florida was way over rated. Lsu is ranked in the top 25 only because it played Alabama and Florida. They struggled against Washington.

Oregon's loss to Boise, go look at the stats of the game. How many carries did James have? Yes James the number 5 leading rusher in all of BCS, who is almost 2 1/2 games behind all other rushers. Yeah he averaged 11 yards a carry vs Boise and was Only allowed to carry the ball twice. Throw in a deep blue field that has the nations longest home field advantage and coming away down 11 is not that bad for your opener.

Oregon has played 7 of the top 25 teams this year and has its 2 loses while playing AT their home fields. So 5 wins VS top 25 Teams. Not BS top 25 but end of season top 25.

Dec 08, 2009
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Tired
by: Loadchris

Ok lets see....lsu travels 2300mi to play a decent wash team and still wins but still gets bagged on for barely winning. We are talking about the same team who beat the mighty Trojans.

Let's put the pac10 #1 Oregon vs sec #1 bama....bama wins....

pac10#2 Arizona vs sec#2 Florida..FL wins......

pac10 #3 Oregon st vs sec#3 LSU...LSU wins...

nuf said. Need I say more....pac10 offenses are not used to the fast fast sec secondary period....not gonna happen. Later!!!

Dec 13, 2009
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Get Real
by: Anonymous

In the entire 2009 season what team put up the most first downs, most total yards, and most passing yards vs LSU? Was it the mighty Gators? No. Was it the Mighty Tide? No. Was it any SEC opponent? NO.

It was the bottom of the barrel, Pac-10 Washington Huskies. My goodness what a mighty defensive league.


Jan 06, 2010
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The SEC plays cupcake out of conference???
by: LSUGUY

You see this is what i am talking about from you7 idiots from the pac 10. clearly you just state what you think is going on and not what actually happened. the SEC this year was masterful out of conference this year.......
Georgia over Ga tech- who was acc champ
Alabama over Va tech-
LSU over Washington
Georgia over Arizona State- the last three years actually
South Carolina over Clemson
Florida over florida state
Auburn over west virginia
Arkansas over Texas A@m


So please the next time you people start talking out of your a** about things that can be proven wrong. why not just go and do a little research.

Jan 10, 2010
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SEC Fat on Cupcakes
by: ManOfTroy

"So please the next time you people start talking out of your a** about things that can be proven wrong. why not just go and do a little research." -- LSUGUY, referring to Pac 10 fans

Since 2002, 47.8% of the SEC's out of conference games were against teams from outside the BCS (this includes Notre Dame), MWC, WAC. (The notion that the Univ. of Troy is a quality opponent because it won in a conference that lost a combined 59% of its games in 2009 is laughable.) In contrast, the Pac 10 played only 14% of its games against such teams. The Pac 10 also features 3 (of the 4) teams that have never played an FCS school in football.

As for the "masterful" wins against "quality" opponents, Texas A&M, Arizona State, and Washington ended the season with losing records, South Carolina beat Clemson and Clemson beat Kentucky (in other words, the SEC broke even, here), and Florida St. had only 7 wins in Bowden's last season. This shrinks the list of impressive regular season wins dramatically. Of course, UCLA (a so-so team from the Pac 10) visited Tennessee and won --- and before you throw the Vols under the bus, UT did go on to nearly beat 'Bama!

Certainly the SEC has a wealth of talented teams that can matchup well with teams from other conferences. It's a very good conference. However, a little bit of research shows that the SEC needs to take on some tougher challenges during the regular season to prove its dominance.

Why not go play Boise St. on the blue turf? (SEC fans keep knocking Oregon for losing to the Broncos in their season opener, but at least Oregon played the Broncos at all. The SEC has played Boise St. only 3 times since 2002! If you think Boise St. can't play, go prove it on the field!) Or setup a re-match with Utah? (The SEC has a losing record to the MWC since 2002, after all.) Or more frequently play the likes of Oregon, Notre Dame, or Ohio State during the regular season? Or send Florida to play a team outside of Florida (the Gators haven't played a non-conference regular season game outside of the state since, uh, 1991 when they lost to Syracuse.)

When the SEC shows it can beat anyone, any time, anywhere, I will relent and declare them the dominant conference. Until then, the SEC is impressive and deserves respect, but is often overrated and deserves to be shuffled around with the Pac 10, Big 10, and Big XII as the "best conference in football."

Jan 13, 2010
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The South is RISEN
by: Chief

UGH!!
Past Four NCAA Div 1 champs. SEC,SEC,SEC,SEC. We didn't invent football, but for sure perfected it before it was exported west.

Apr 17, 2010
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SEC Plays Toughest Out of Conference (OOC) Games
by: Hyacenth House

The only thing you ever hear from a Pac 10 fans is that the SEC plays easy OOC games. They never list the FACTS, so here they are:

According to the BCS SOS the SEC plays a MUCH harder schedule:

http://bcscentral.info/sos.html

Notice that AL had the #4 (hardest), LSU #5, AR #7 & FL #9

The SEC also schedules more, plays more BCS OOC games, plays Higher ranked teams and beats more of these teams. Notice, Pac 10 fans Never back up their claims! For 2009:

SEC:
Wins: #2 TX, #9 Cincinnati, #10 V. Tech., #22 West Virginia, #13 GA Tech & #25 OK St.

Unranked Wins: North Carolina St., Washington, Louisville, AZ St., TX A&M, Clemson, FL St, TX A&M & Northwestern. 

Losses: #8 P. St., #25 OK St., #13 GA Tech, #13 GA Tech, #10 V. Tech, Clemson, UCLA & UConn.

Totals: Played - 23. Wins - 15 (65%). Losses - 8 (35%). Number of Ranked Teams played: 11 (48%)

Ranked Teams Beaten: 6

Pac 10:
Wins: #5 Ohio St.

Unranked Wins: Maryland, Tenn., Purdue, Minnesota, Kansas St, Notre Dame, and Notre Dame & Boston College. 

Losses: #5 Ohio St, #17 LSU, #7 Iowa, #9 Cincinnati, #14 Nebraska Wake Forest, Georgia, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, & Oklahoma.

Totals: Played - 19. Wins - 9 (47%). Losses - 10 (53%). Number of Ranked Teams played: 6 (32%)

Ranked Teams Beaten: 1

Ditto for 2008, 2007 and on & on. Hope this puts an end to this fallacy... once and for all!

Jul 14, 2010
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are you hi??
by: Anonymous

Dude, these results would not be as good if you had lost 1-2 of those games if you play better teams. When you have a 11-0 record and 5 of those games where against teams that have no business even playing against you it only make your record better than it really is. In other words, if I beat up my sister every time I fight I am going to win every time (1-AA Teams)Your 2010 schedule is loaded with them. But if the SEC would play teams they know they could and would lose to the results of your records would be different. I will not respect the results of most of the SEC teams until they play outside of their safety zone and play other teams that could and would beat them. And the fact that most of your teams will NOT travel makes your results less impressive.

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